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> and a non-hire agreement that stops them from poaching your employees.

Isn't that similar to what Google/Apple/etc were doing recently, and were rightfully lambasted for?

My employer does not own me, they should have absolutely no say over what company can offer me a new position.



And that's fair. The employee should be able to seek employment anywhere of their choosing. What is being discussed is not the same situation that went on with the major tech firms. In that situation we found out that the tech firms wouldn't hire each others employees regardless of situation.

In a hypothetical situation where you have two companies, lets call them Company A and Company B, who are in talks for an acquisition. If Company A is huge and is potentially an acquirer then Company B would be it's acquisition target. Company A is going to learn a lot about Company B to consider purchasing them. Company A could walk away at any time with all the salary information of Company B's employees.

Company B should have the right for protection in such a high risk situation. A non-solicit agreement that covers employees would prevent Company A from approaching, with the intention of hiring, Company B employees for a period of time that both firms agree upon.

Employees of Company B are more than welcome to approach Company A about jobs. Company B employees may even get a raise since Company A would know how much they are earning. However, Company A would want documented proof to show that the employee of Company B came to them. As they cannot approach the employees of Company B during the previously agreed upon period.

The system needs to protect employers like it protects employees. Not everyone runs a high margin billion dollar company.


I believe non-poaching agreements between companies discussing an acquisition would be less inclined to harm employees than the agreements you mention. A non-solicit in this case would be unilateral, and not the bilateral agreements that Google et al had.


Isn't it unilateral in the direction that hurts the employee? If your startup signs a no poaching agreement with Google. Now Google can't give you a higher salary offer.

I don't think I see how this would not hurt the employees. Seems like a classic startup management move that screws over the employees who are already taking pay cuts and huge life risks to make the startup successful.


Think of it from the other direction - if the agreement didn't exist, the startup wouldn't even talk to the bigger company, potentially hurting the employee and everyone else in the company.

For a startup, losing a key employee is a big deal and a big risk. A non solicitation agreement doesn't prevent the employee from applying for a job at the bigger company, but merely allow the startup to be more open t o a potential competitor.


Maybe the startup should stop the whining and compensate its key employees a little better then.


I totally agree that the free market should set salaries for talented people, but consider the case when a startup is winding down and looking for a soft landing, if the acquirer picks up the top employees and ruins the last bit of hope the company has then the non "rockstar" employees would all be out of jobs and have nothing but a failed company on their resume to show for it. Also, and I may be biased but it feels like bullying on the part of a bigger company with more capital but without the ability to find equivalent talent without coming in the back door of a smaller company.


> if the acquirer picks up the top employees and ruins the last bit of hope the company has then the non "rockstar" employees would all be out of jobs

Sounds like a merit-based scenario to me.

Simply reading through HN for several years, it seems pretty obvious to me that many startups view employees and "theirs". There is no scenario where I would hurt my future opportunities simply so I don't hurt my (sinking) company's.

I owe nothing more than the agreed-upon work for money to my current company, and watching out for #1 is what has been so successful for me these past several years.

A smart developer would stay at current company if she truly believed there was a successful acquisition on the horizon. If she leaves with someone else, that's just the free market talking.


It's not merit-based. If I'm an acquirer playing hardball the value of hiring those people is the damage to the acquired's valuation with other suitors and not anything to do with the peoples' abilities.

Let's say you're selling, I'm buying, and we reach a tentative agreement for $100M. While you're winding down your other options I talk to five of your key people and hire them each for $2M. The next morning I start in fresh: Without those people our new offer is $50M. By the way that's a generous offer, part of the team works for us so you're worth even less to other acquirers. And hey, what if the press got wind that you were trying to sell and your key people were leaving. Sounds like a company in trouble.

You might say that's an asshole thing that nobody would actually do but there's a reason the poster up top suggested covering it.


Looks like the equity the startup offered those employees was clearly not enough to keep them around if the big company was so easily able to poach them while their equity was literally in the process of being turned into actual dollars. Being horribly cheap with equity to employees is endemic in startups, maybe that will change it. So, still not seeing the problem here.


>Isn't that similar to what Google/Apple/etc were doing recently, and were rightfully lambasted for?

Two differences:

* It would be a one-sided no-poaching agreement (or it should be).

* An individual start-up does not have close to the same level of market power as a large corporation so the effects of no poaching agreements on the market as a whole would be minimized.

It isn't the same for the same reason why low cap startups with a lot of competition are immune from anti-trust violations no matter what their behavior.


Good question, to be clear, these agreements don't stop employees from leaving on their own volition but rather make it easier for the target company (the one being diligenced) to get damages from the potential acquiror if they aggressively hire away the target's employees.

In practice this often looks like an agreement to only speak with a defined, very small number of people at the target and to absolutely not initiate conversations with anyone else.

If Acme Startup Inc is quietly exploring a sale to Google, and coincidentally one of its engineers drops a resume to Google's recruiters, she can still go work for Google, but rest assured that Google will document the hell out of who-contacted-who-when.


If they sign the agreement, they're saying they don't want you, so you never had a hope anyway.

In any case, non-hire agreements aren't forever.




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