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That's why I like it. I did 8 years of React, and I hope I never have to touch it again. When I was forced to use Remix, it just about broke me.


This sounds like a Remix problem more than a React problem. I really enjoyed the ideas behind Remix actually! In fact, I found that having both server and client code in a single file (a-la Next.js) made me super productive. And nowadays I bet it pairs well with LLMs due to having the full vertical slice available in the agent's context.

I really wanted that framework to take off.

But that community is straight toxic... I have not seen a more toxic community than the React Router community. It's one of the reasons I stopped using Remix. React Router 7 is actually pretty cool; I recently built a prototype on it and was surprised by how well it worked. But I know I'll eventually need some kind of support and feedback, and I can't imagine engaging with those devs/that community again...


It's worth noting that I only did Remix for like 6 months last year. My big issue was it's intentional inflexibility. It creates a very narrow and inflexible mold for you to build your site into, creating a framework where the "cure" is worse than the problem. They make a huge selling point of loading nested data, loading the nested components with their data in parallel. I have never seen that to be a huge problem, in my experience of React - complexity has been the problem, and that's something that Remix makes worse, not better.


I too quite like Remix and I think the framework is taking off! The support of Shopify has made Remix quite popular, especially with the Hydrogen offering. I cannot comment on the community though, I've only had decent experiences during the earlier Remix days.


Yeah, React really fumbled the bag with server components.




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